Nullsec can't be fixed in isolation to the rest of the game.

Or you could just, y'now, buff null industry to be on par or greater than that in hisec. Assuming, of course, that we're talking about that issue for real and not just looking for "moar ganking" excuses.

Now if there's actual industrialists who are in favour of nerfing highsec instead of people looking for targets, then I'd be more interested in what they ahd to say.
(apologies if you are actually an industrialist, perhaps that is how you acquire your lollipops)

I understand that more than "man, I wish we had more people to shoot at".

Generally one of the complaints is lack of reward for being in a more dangerous area. How does improving what is available out there not improve on that? Maybe be constructive rather than whine.

you're not going to nerf high sec mining's isk/hour unless you introduce low ends to null.

Quit being so damned self righteous. The often suggested nerfs to high sec won't help the health of the game any more than many other ideas out there.

Obliterating the game's economy is not something that creates balance.

We all play different games.

Your solution greatly reduces the supply, which increases cost at a rather high rate. This supply is lost both from the refining nerf and more ships getting destroyed out in null, so even if you found what would be the balance "in theory", the increased production costs and startup cause problems of their own that you're ignoring, trying to act like it doesn't exist. These things are things that can't be easily estimated and a mistake there WILL cause massive problems. Assuming you can get enough industrials to stick around in the first place.

Actually it is a justification, just not a good one.

And James. I didn't say change nothing, just not to change the thing that you think will solve everything. You'd realize that if you were paying any attention.

I just don't see nerfing as necessary in this situation

I'm not sure null sec CAN be viable without ruining high sec completely.

Shifting production, more slots, more offices, better POS is one thing. Rendering hi-sec obsolete is another thing. Also, shifting production from very many players to a few powerful players cuts out a large amount of the player base from industry. That's not good for the game.

Newsflash: This is already the case.

You seem to be under the impression that large nullsec alliances haven't taken over manufacturing and industry, but they have. They do it in highsec because it's the best place to do it.

If you don't see why this is a problem I don't think I could convince you that the sky is blue, either.

Hi-sec isn't nirvana. If you were asking for a program of modest but measurable changes, implemented one after the other, to gauge success before going too far, people might not be so defensive when confronted by your ideas. Odds are they wouldn't even care if that was the case. Your contempt for hi-sec people doesn't inspire much in the way of comity either.

But who am I to tell you to stop trolling? I guess I'm a hypocrite.

no one is forced to manufacture anything, since there is a fully functioning market.

I can understand that it's difficult living in null without facilities close by but should it really be easy?

Jump freighters have been talked about a lot, though mostly in the cost of the fuel. Hell, the main reason they're used currently is to import stuff from high sec into null sec because its cheaper to do that than to produce that stuff in null sec... which is a big part of WHY not much other than those "higher priority items" are produced there. Honestly, I would have no complaints if along with some of the stated fixes, caps were made incredibly resource intensive to make compared to what they are now to make it a real investment to have even one supercap. I'm under the impression those were supposed to be essentially flag ships, not something you make fleets of all willy nilly, buuut that's a different subject.

Never said to make jump freighters more fuel intensive, just said jump freighters were talked about.
But you make a good point about the capitals... hmm... tricky.

I do however wish that whichever end of the route line the next gate was going to jump you to would flash or change color or something so we'd at least know which end of topsy turvy we are on.

which is, from my experience, safer than highsec.

WH space would like a word with you.

In other words, taking it from behind by the big guys. See, this is something I have a problem with, the massive blue landscapes of null. Null was supposed to be about competition, not the Illustrious benefactor / godfather / overlord. :)

I haven't said I am against improving areas of the game (0.0 industry).

The truth hurts that much?

I haven't seen so much parochial thinking since last time I browsed the WoW boards.

Nullsec has the most access, the most things that can be done, industry that is pulled many different ways by the demands of supercap production, moon mining, and drug production in addition to local production of things they can perfectly well produce and import from lowsec (where there are *quite* adequate production facilities at highsec prices without the need to brave a single gate camp for access)).

The only reason I can see for this crusade to gut highsec industry is that there are too many production lines to do a full manipulation to lock people out with the resources they have at the moment, because everything they are asking for but that they already have.

My thoughts for fixing null:

1. Lower cost to build outposts and allow them to be built on any planet in nullsec systems.

Outposts aren't related to sov.

An online TCU is invulnerable unless both of the following conditions are fulfilled:

• Sovereignty Blockade Units are anchored and onlined at more than 50% of the gates in the system.
• The sovereign entity over the system does not possess an Outpost/Conquerable Station nor an online Industrial Hub within the system.